Public sentiment is predominantly negative towards U.S. diplomacy and involvement in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. There is widespread skepticism about the effectiveness of military actions, media reports, and potential peace negotiations, alongside deep-rooted frustrations regarding the roles of Trump and Turkey. Many commenters express serious concerns over humanitarian impacts and the complexities of the ongoing war.

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For some reason people often ask these types of questions to Ukrainians, and I don't understand why. It's like Lex Friedman asked Zelenskyy if he'll ever be able to forgive russians. The question that pops in my mind when I hear this is — do they ask for forgiveness? Do they regret what happened? Doesn't seem like it. Most of them love the fact that they stole some land from a neighbor and projected some power on the world stage. So to answer your question, it depends on russians. If they repent German-style, give us our land back and pay reparations, then it will be possible to restore good relations. But I highly doubt this will happen unless they're defeated. So until then my priority is to make sure my kids don't know the russian language as I, unfortunately, do.

CEOofBavowna

Nothing. It will be as it is now for a very long time. Not neutral or positive - only strongly negative. 

Salt_Bookkeeper_8201

How is the quote?

Never forget, never to forgive.

Parallels with WW2 and Germany don't really work because Germany was defeated, brought to its knees, and while not perfect, denazified. Germans were (some still are to this day) apologetic for their past crimes and they mean it.

I can't really see this happening with ruSSia as much as I wish otherwise.

kalfas071

Russia (or its equivalent through history) has been trying to genocide us for the last 300+ years
This time, they just went waayyy too far and it's unfixable 

Ukraine has been more than patient with these mf 
So yeah, some sort of cold war seems realistic
Or just...no contact or strict minimum of contact
Unfortunately we need a gaz source and idk if Ukraine will find one that doesn't use the pipelines
But it's better if Ukraine stays "far" from Russia and stays ready to retaliate any time again in the future

MySecretLife15

Not Ukrainian, but from another country invaded by Russia (ww1-2 basically). Eastern Europe. Grandfather fought them, even faced time in the gulag. 

Grandparents disliked them too. 

The more you hear about them and the more you interact with them online, it makes you dislike them more. 

Always had a very bad opinion on them. So even after 4 generations, it did not pass. 

Sadly, the 6-7th generation got their brain fried by Tik Tok and pulls again to them.

[deleted]

Ireland had a similar issue with its neighbour wanting to control, dominate and invade for hundreds of years. They even brought their own people in and forcibly took land off the native Irish.
The end result is generations of resentment but it is definitely getting a lot better in Ireland in the last 30 odd years

joemc1972

With a normal country, maybe 10-15 years could bring some level of normalcy. With Russia no. It's a country that could never suppress its domineering, aggressive attitude towards everybody.

cobaltcolander

There would not be "after war" as long as Russia exists.

Repulsive_Still_731

We will hate them forever and nothing will change that. Even if at some point ruzia gives us back all our lands, we will never stop considering ruzia as our number one threat. There is a small chance that our relationship with the russians could change if ruzia ceases to exist in its current form and breaks up into dozens of new entities. In that case, we may reconsider our relations with certain entities of the former ruzian federation.

there are no prospects for any favorable outcomes. undoubtedly, russian propaganda will persist in spreading anti-Ukrainian narratives, and as conditions worsen in russia (which is an unavoidable result of a violent and senseless aggressive war), russians will hold Ukraine accountable for all their woes and the state apparatus will endorse this perspective in every conceivable manner. without acknowledgment of errors and restitution for harm from the aggressor, no genuine reconciliation is clearly achievable, thus we will not witness any enhancement in these relations in the coming decades.

vsovietov

We have an example of WW2 and Germany. We all remember how Willy Brandt kneeled before a memorial to the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. And other not so symbolic but more practical moves of Germany and German people. How they condemned all the crimes and genocides they committed, went through Nürnberg trials and don't even think about glorifying this part of their history.

Can russians reflect their crimes on the same level? I have huge doubts. They won't do it even partially. My bet is they will lay putin in mausoleum next to lenin's mummy and will continue jerking on their imperialistic ambitions with new attempts to invade us. Especially if they will be allowed to stay on occupied lands. And as we can see westerners are happy to make sure that russians will stay

inokentii

Imagine you live in the countryside. Your neighbor killed your brother and raped your daughter. Your son and his wife fled to another country because of this and you will never see them, nor will you see your grandchildren. Your neighbor also took your land and destroyed your house. You are left alone with your elderly parents, in a couple of surviving rooms. One of your parents is not friendly with their head and thinks your neighbor did good and you deserve it.

The police tell you it's time to end it, it's your own fault. A peace between you and the neighbor here and now.

This is roughly how you can imagine how Ukrainians feel.

Dragomir3777

I have no idea how this ended up on my thread, as I am not Ukrainian.

Everyone saying Nazi Germany is looking at the wrong Axis power. They should be looking more towards Imperial Japan, who did worse than the Nazis and the Russians are currently doing.

Relations with Korea and China are/were still stranded as a result. But there are economic links, Japanese pop culture is strong through things like anime, sushi, etc.

But normalization took a lot longer than in Europe. I imagine Ukraine and Russia will take a similar path. You'll probably have economic ties, but still never fully trust nor forgive the Russians.

Revivaled-Jam849

I expect to have no relations with them. In my dream scenario they will not exist as a big country.

JonSnow240792

Look, i'm going to be blunt with you, and although i don't have a ukrainian passport, i have a mixed Ethnicity, of Ukrainian and Lithuanian.

What is there to forgive to a country that has habitually not learned from its history? Because Ukraine isn't the first or second time that Russia has been doing it.

As for ruSSians, it's a complete delusion. I'm normally very generous toward russians, by saying that they might be politically indifferent, instead of fascist in nature (for a good chunk of the country, which is roughly 48-50%). Russia has never been a friend of eastern AND central europe, and never will be.

Flimsy-Chapter3023

I hope that this time, when everything is over, Ukraine will destroy all the large direct roads to russia and replace them with parallel ones (like in Finland). And also make the entire border area impassable and mine it entirely (wet dreams but I want it to be this way, there should be no trust/carelessness anymore)

FoMotherVodka

It's going to require for sure time and committment. Like Germany and the rest after WWII: commitment to become a peaceful democracy from Russia and time for Ukraine to forgive (id they want to; It's not Russia's call)

GothYagamy

The same way South Korea has relations with North Korea now.

PlasmaMatus

I grew up with not so great view of them already. Remember this is not the first time they have started stuff with Ukraine. From Ukrainisation to the forced famine to czarist russia. The west is only paying attention now.

My wife is Ukrainian. She hates russia with every fiber of her being . So does the rest of her family. Her friends. Their families. Their friends. All of them are still in Ukraine. She disowned a friend of hers who happened to be working in muscovy when the war started who was like a sister to her. 


There will never be any sort of friendly ties ever again for a lot of Ukrainians.

Fun-Distribution-159

Hopefully "Russia" stops existing. Only then can Ukraine and the rest of the world start to repair relations with the new smaller nations Russia will be broken down into. Even then it'll take several generations.

Foreverett

I would expect to have zero relations with them embargo of trade and investments, roads cut off, border mined to oblivion and river style moat with barbwires along the borders.

Mikk_UA_

There might not be a Russia after the war  

Russia is not really a country. It is the cities of Moscow and St. Petersburg, and then a bunch of loosely confederated lands and peoples. It has many enemies, external and internal. I believe the war will end with Putin's death, naturally or otherwise. Whoever comes after might not be able to keep the country together.

TheHolyReality

There won't be russia anymore when this ends

Specialist_No_Limits

These kind of questions are deranged AF it makes me mad. Like if someone stole your car killed your dog, filmed it, ridiculed and openly enjoyed the suffering of poor animal, and after paying 15$ fine and couple bruises from you is overall happy with how it all went. Bragging and laughing in your face. How would you feel? Would it suddenly be normal after some douche  sheriff will say your conflict is over?
Now extrapolate this to your family members, kids, friends, their futures.

zavorad

When dealing with Russians, it's good to keep in mind the phrase: "The tree remembers, but the axe forgets"

I can't compare what we Finns are going through to what the Ukrainians are going through, but if I can't see a normalization of relations between us and the Russians in decades, it's even harder to imagine such between the Ukrainians and the Russians.

BigLupu

I am going to continue to tell my Russian friends who go back to visit their families to fuck off

Bitter_Firefighter_1

Nothing more than breadlines and begging for forgiveness.

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eliorkl1

It would actually depend on the end of the war. If it ends with Russia controlling parts of Ukraine, while the ukrainan government could accept it, there would be splinter cells and regional instability for years to come. Possibly revolts and all the "nice" things that come with it.

If it ends with Ukraines best case, Russia pulls back entirely, then a few decades before things resume as usual.

Ofcourse in any situation it would depend on the antagonism of both sides.

LibrarianJesus

*There will be Dragons...*

I mean - there will be no any relations for next 2-3 generations. Closed borders, strong disagree in any part of discussions, decline of speaking, understanding and listening.

You picture of war end is complete misleading roots of this conflict. There will be no any end till one of sides will not be crushed - either Russia or Ukraine.

elhsmart

True-Machine-823

Kinda like asking what will the relations be with germany at the end of the war in 1939

Additional_Ad_8131

I'm in the UK not Ukraine.  But, they have committed acts of war against us.  Used WMDS on our soil, they have sunk some boats in our waters, disrupted trade, hacked our computers, meddled in elections and threatened even to nuke us

There is not a lot of love for Russia.  And until Russia undergoes major regime change, and becomes a true, peaceful democratic nation, that won't change 

We have no beef with *the people* living in Russia, only for the support for a regime that actively publicises the fact that it wants us all dead

I can only imagine how much more hate for Russia the Ukrainian people must have

madoggi

Depends on how the war ends and what Russians do. For now we see no remorse, no self-condemnation, no step is taken into recognition of Russian crimes by Russians. They either support the war or try to distance themselves from it, to avoid collective responsibility. I don’t see it changing in near future and there’s no chance for relationship between the countries.

Injuredmind

Here’s the photo of an old woman from Sumy burying her son, grandson and daughter in law. I hope every Ukrainian thinks about her or thousands of others before thinking of normalising relationships with russia. https://www.instagram.com/p/DIiifKSIi98/?igsh=aGd4cXZqOG9jZ3Fs

I will hate russians as long as I live, and if I ever hate kids I’ll make sure they hate anything russian too. 

lesiashelby

Funny you should mention Korea, because the occupation of Korea by Japan from 1910-1945 is still fresh in the minds of every single Korean citizen (both North and South). The animosity toward Japan is real and it isn't going away anytime soon despite South Korea and Japan being geopolitical allies and trading partners.

I imagine that Ukrainians will hate Russians for generations going forward, no matter what the results of the war will be.

TenchuReddit

What would be Poland's relations with Germany after ww2? Hatered, deserved hatered and that's it. The russians are scum like the nazis.

pillowname

They’ll only become friendly with each other once there’s a change in government that’s friendly to Ukraine.

Medical-Nobody-6462

Corren_64

Well, historical example - Turks/Ottoman Empire has been conquering and killing countries on the Balkans for \~5 centuries, but now we are pretty much OK.

jvproton

Europe will go back to business following Trump.

Ukraine will be in a frozen territorial conflict like Cyprus but probably without a prospect for return of the territory.
Rebuilding will be a big job, foreign capital can help but it will take years to return to prewar economy.

EU states around Russia will keep upping the defence spend at least for a decade.

Relations will hopefully slowly normalise.

0xPianist

eggpotion

It's either Belarus or Lithuania. There's nothing in between, that's the sad reality determined by its geography.

porkbelly2022

Depends on how this war ends.

There could be a korean situation wich in my opinion is the most likly scenario. 

If russia fully occupies ukraine it will be the same like poland or hungary under the communists, where there is a 50/50 chance that People after some years will have better or worse views of russia.

If ukraine manages to take back its territories, it depends on the inner political situation of russia, they could go full revanzist like germany in the 30s or Reform there goverment and say sorry for there actions like germany under Brandt, or they could favor the Status qou where whe have the same scenario as china and Japan, where there are economic thies, but hatred among the People. 

The most interisting aspect will be the younger Generations, i myself am an russian german and talked with many ukrainians and russians in germany,  yes there are nationalistic People who will never accept the other side but there are also many People who had family and friends from both countries prior to the war, this People normaly hate politics especially from russia but get along with normal People wich are not politically active, so there is potential for better relations in the far future but not directly after the war but maby in 20 or 30 years.

Agrull

Many Ukrainians understand that Russians really have little choice, and there is a significant number of people who are not pro Putin.

It will depend on the individual and circumstance.

Queasy_Badger9252

Logic dictates a strong hatred for anyone who was alive during this time for the rest of their lives. There will be a slow falloff of hostility with each generation after that.  
When you hear of evil people doing awful things to your parents you hate them but if it happened to your great-great-grandparents it is less hard to be emotionally effected.

Low_Engineering_3301

I imagine quite negative, for quite a while.

I mean, they will keep finding corpses and mass graves, for decades. And people will keep stepping on landmines and finding unexploded ordinance, again for years if not decades, which won't help. The damage to environment and pollution in the area will be massive and long-lasting. Damage to settlements and infrastructure is again going to take decades to repair. And most importantly, even if Russian troops pull out, they won't go far, that threat is going to be omnipresent. So that will very much change the mentality of the people overall.

No going back after this, I don't think. Not for a couple of generations at least. It's fixable, nothing lasts forever, but the damage has been pretty catastrophic, so it'll be a while. And it's quite possible that there's going to be just fundamental long-lasting shift in perception that goes on for centuries.

Sabbathius

This would depend a lot on how the conflict ends.

If there's a 'deal', I can't see how it would be calm, normal and happy  relations.

I think if Putin died or is removed &amp; the war stops as a result, the relations might eventualy be normalised.

But there's likely to be another similar nationalist figure waiting to step in.

westcoast5556

Over 70% of Ukrainians openly support Bandera since the 2022 invasion. That’s a Pandora’s Box that ain’t ever getting closed.

Fuck_this_timeline

Relations with Russia will be the same as they are with any lying, violent, alkoholic who survives by robbing people and stealing from its neighbours and friends.

kamden096

It’s impossible to even start to predict the post war relationship until we know how and under what circumstances the war eventually ends

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watching_whatever

It mostly depends on how the war ends; but what do you mean "after the war ends" if "a Korean-style frozen conflict" is somehow "after the war"? The Korean War has not concluded; there's only a ceasefire. That's why they have all those fortifications. That's not the end of the war. The war ended for US, but not for Koreans. But in Ukraine there are no US troops, so Korean-like ceasefire would not mean the end of the war for anyone.

This_Growth2898

Ukraine will join NATO and the European Union.

playbigg

Germany and USA with Trump will kiss Putins ass as always.

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Repulsive_Drag_8406

Modern day Ukraine (1991 borders) wouldn't exist in a decade or so.
The part that will left with the Europe will be integrated in their institutions and will have terrible relationship with Russia (like India - Pakistan).
Occupied part of Ukraine will be integrated into Russia and will be just another region of Russia, like modern day Crimea.

Nothing good though.

izoiva

Could be bad , neutral or positive, depending on the resolution. Many terrible conflicts ended fairly positive like on the top of my head, Germany and the rest of Europe, South Africa and the UK, US and Vietnam. Granted I can also give you examples of the opposite.

Other-Comfortable-64

Handshakes and business as usual. 

Extremists or patriots depends on how you see them will start plotting bomb attacks and assassinations. 

Political tension within Ukraine while maintaining uneasy relations with Russia. It is not going to be easy as a Ukrainian president after the war.

Lazy-Sugar-3888

It will be almost identical to Bosnia -Herzegovina where the US forced an unjust peace. Russia will act as Serbia.

They will use the Russian dominated provinces to destabilise Ukraine and to meddle in internal politics of Ukraine.  The threat of another was will be used to try and get Ukraine to submit to the will of Russia…

vegabondsal

and disarmament. and no nato. and no security guarantees. and the promise to get the rest gift-wrapped before 2030.

One-Reflection-4826

Bad deal for Ukraine. They need a peace agreement not a ceasefire.

1. Ukraine has major fortification lines in Donetsk. If they abandon these they leave themselves seriously exposed.
2. A notable percent of Ukraine's army is now unwilling conscripts. Presumably these will be allowed to return home. If war breaks out again in 1-2 years. You will not be able to round these people up quickly. So Ukraine will have a personal issue at the onset of the next war. Russia's army is more volunteer. So if they need to mobilise for round two. They will be able to do so faster.
3. With only a ceasefire and no peace agreement. No one will want to invest capital into Ukraine. The risk &amp; return will not stack up. As at any point Russia can invade and you lose your capital. This is capital Ukraine desperately needs but won't get.
4. Russia will keep its economy on a quasi wartime footing. Accumulating a massive amount of material. They are producing 1200 isklander's, 62,000 Geran's, 4 million 152 mm shells a year right now. Ukraine on the other hand will produce and be gifted relatively less. They desperately need to repair their infrastructure money will be directed here not into munitions. In a couple of years there will be a massive mismatch. Russia knows exactly what it needs and at what quantity to defeat Ukraine in round 2. It will produce this. 
5. With no long term solution and a war likely in the future. Many men may leave Ukraine. Men Ukraine needs to rebuild.

donnydodo

Witkoff has no experience. Really. Zero.First problem (he's likely not aware of). Russia doesn't occupy the totality of the oblasts....

PressPausePlay

When Europe folded under Trump's trade pressure, accepting tariffs and promising more than half a trillion in vassalage payments, it sent the message to Putin that Western Europe is weak. Putin smelled blood in the water and is now going for the throat.

karagousis

And then a year from now he starts all over again either there or somewhere else to gain more land with the same eventual deal.  Only way I’d even half consider this is if Ukraine joins NATO

Rosemoorstreet

Somewhere: *Ok, I will stop stealing only if I can keep all the loot plus the rest I couldn't take just to keep the collection complete.*

The actual victim: *Euh, do you guys want to hear my opinion?*

Jumping-Gazelle

Misleading title. He said he will halt war, halt implies temporary stop. Article even says offered casefire in exchange for recognition of eastern Ukraine being Russian. That would be worst deal in history of deals, maybe ever.

Cheerful_Champion

Not sure how Ukraine will ever get that territory back. 

Anyways the Trump-Putin meeting in Alaska has cold war vibes

polemism

Putin is lying, once he moves the bar and begins rebuilding troops the bar will move again. The EU knows it and once one country gives up, more attempts will be made

ptahbaphomet

East Ukraine as in freezing the line or in making Ukraine give up more territory?

  
The first is probably the best deal we will ever get out of Russia, the second is dead on arrival in Brussels and Kiev.

spinosaurs70

Based on the demands there's basically 0 incentive for Ukraine to not keep fighting. So what if they get pushed back again? That's still losing less land than what the terms moscow is offering.

Meanwhile, sanctions are biting the Russian economy hard, resulting in the war industry winding down due to lack of capital and labor shortages. Meanwhile, rural russia is starting to descend into anarchy due to lack of police presence. Inflation is starting to get out of control. 

Ukraine's main weapon against Russia is finally starting to pay dividends. They would be insane to agree to anything that lifts sanctions on Russia.

Command0Dude

Putin’s latest gambit—offering to halt the war in Ukraine if granted control over Eastern Ukraine—reads less like a peace proposal and more like a demand for territorial vindication disguised as diplomacy. This is classic Kremlin theater: dangling ceasefire talks while cementing gains on the battlefield, all under the watchful eyes of a Washington eager for an accord and a Ukraine left to wrestle with an impossible choice. Peace at the price of sovereignty? That’s not a bargain—it’s a capitulation. And as the world watches, the real question remains: will the West reward conquest or uphold principle?

fuggitdude22

What he will do is wait a year then attack again.

humtum6767

Ok. Problem: America can't give you that. And Ukraine certainly won't, either.

SheetMetalandGames

Trump wants the peace prize so badly he’s willing to throw a nation to the wolves to get it. I hate that man so much I can’t even describe it in words because it wouldn’t do it justice

WhatAreYouSaying05

All these they should fight to the last Ukrainian posts don't take into account the realities on the ground. Ukraine is just about cooked and Trump knows it, Trump is a shriveled peanut of a human that sees things in purely pragmatic terms. The further reality is that Russia has no capacity to digest western Ukraine or the baltics so a lot of the fearmongering in that side of things is overblown rhetoric. Putin's aims were for east Ukraine and no NATO for the rest.

Odd-Slice-4032

TACO trump is believing Putin again now. He is just desperate to be seen to have ended the war because he is delusional in thinking he can get the Nobel Peace Prize (no doubt the sycophant yes people in his regime are all telling him it's a certainty).

One-Can3752

No. What a ridiculous offer. Who in the world is not laughing?

DanoPinyon

Did they say pause or end the war for this land?

Reverie_of_an_INTP

Putin position remains unchanged and he won't stop.

JustAhobbyish

In unrelated news, the EU says they will lower tariffs on US goods if Trump gives them the entire eastern seashore and 50 miles inland from Miami Florida to Calais Maine. Ever the shrewd negotiator, Trump asked, "Lower them to what amount?"   /s

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Puzzled_Worth_4287

Russia won't agree to a ceasefire as a precondition to discussing a peace settlement. It's pretty obvious that no mutually satisfactory settlement could be reached, and if it could be reached then it could happen now while conflict is ongoing.

unjour

This seems like a fair deal. Bolster Western Ukraine to the hilt with weaponary and defences and let Russia have their slice. 

This war will affect how we view Russia as a geopolitical threat, but the only path leading to World War 3 is treating this war in Ukraine like it is somehow a war on Europe.

AldrichOfAlbion

Russia is trying to win a a peace deal what they can't win in the war.  Is anyone seriously buying it?

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I think the stalemate you talk about is what a diplomatic solution looks like. War only comes to a sudden, complete stop after a millitary victory. A diplomatic end looks like Nort Korea/ South Korea, India/ Pakistan, Egypt/ Israel, etc.

fghhjhffjjhf

90% of wars come to a diplomatic end, but only once a certain military situation has been achieved. Peace is not possible not. Biden saw this, and didn't attempt peace. Trump tried and failed peace because he didn't see this. The war will end, but nothing shows it'll be soon.

Mikkel65

Look at the Chechen war, it’s damn near a carbon copy of the war in Ukraine. At some point they will just lose too much money and they will call a military stalemate. They’ll sign a few treaties and just be pissed off all the time. 

That took 15years from start to finish. Ukraine will be at war for a few more but eventually Russia will just give up.

definitely_not_marti

Amid the U.S.-China trade war, anything is possible. If China converts its vast excess industrial capacity into military production to support Russia in exchange for minerals, energy, and grain from Ukraine and Russia, then that would change everything.

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